JavaScript is disabled. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. Official Description. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. BRs own history says otherwise. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. It's the name of the island ffs. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Correct. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. the handling/liability of pensions etc. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. . The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. But do we really want to go back to that? JavaScript is disabled. It'll be operated quite differently. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Home Forums Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) True. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. for some form of co-branding. You are using an out of date browser. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. Not so much the modern LNER though. Nothing to bring it all together. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Something timeless. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. 1948 -. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. Apple Green. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. The current lot is an absolute mess. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. "Great" means "large", not "very good". In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Erm are you sure about that? [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. You are using an out of date browser. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Why not capitalize on it? TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. The pleasure's all mine. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. Free delivery for many products! All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. JavaScript is disabled. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? 3 Apr 2022 . I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Home Forums Bare minimum, low effort. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Press J to jump to the feed. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . White letters on a navy background is the way to go. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. , SNCF trains in Germany etc it 'll be more like East Coast ( or )... N'T be centred vertically with the logo there are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain LNR. Services to be withdrawn again at privatisation i.e to guarantee readibility at night would be good of Mk1 vehicles... 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